Horizons NDA lifted

[Pollux]

As I said before, I won't be buying it.

I agree with everything people said here. (http://ac2vault.ign.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=41441)

[Halldor]

I'll be passing for the time being as well. If they do some serious reworking, I'll consider, but...it's just not engaging enough. Crafting is great and all, but everyone and their pet hamster will be a crafter, and the adventuring is second rate at best. World's too empty, though they say they're adding more to it before release...only time will tell.

[Midsummer]

i found it boring and repetative and it required too much mouse pushing :/

[Bograt]

glad i didn't pre-order that then, was tempted, reading that forum, they really trashed it

[Nidhögg]

Ironic that the AC2 people are bashing HZ :eek:

My thoughts: another boring treadmill grind of camping monsters. Had nice landscape and view distance was great. Can't comment on content other than is was severely lacking per their plan of withholding "90% of content"

Final word: can't wait for Mythica :D

[DX_Mage]

AC2 sucks. But this box of offal.... is even worse. They did the same recipe type crap that I HATED in AC2. The graphics and lag issues have to do mostly with SLOW servers. The actual servers they have need to be beefed up 10 times.

[JonnyG]

I played the beta for the last 5 months or so. In that time I probably played only 6 sessions, it just never hooked me.

[Mi Tes]

Was in beta also. Didn't have fun, many connection issues, and nothing new here except for having dragons and lots of crafting (neither that interest me).

I absolutely hated the Maggots!

[JonnyG]

Originally posted by Mi Tes
Was in beta also. Didn't have fun, many connection issues, and nothing new here except for having dragons and lots of crafting (neither that interest me).

I absolutely hated the Maggots!
When she says she hated the maggots she meant it. With all the character wipes you had to fight maggots pretty much everytime you restarted.

[Mi Tes]

Even David Allen, the orignal founder for Artifact Entertainment (and the original creator of Horizons) bashed it in a recent mmorpg article here. (http://www.mmorpg.net/article.php?a=1011)

[Dankus]

I have heard nothing good about this game. I'm sure there is some fun stuff to do, but this game will not make my gaming cut.

[Pollux]

Originally posted by Mi Tes
Even David Allen, the orignal founder for Artifact Entertainment (and the original creator of Horizons) bashed it in a recent mmorpg article here. (http://www.mmorpg.net/article.php?a=1011)


After seeing what Horizons is now, it is not the same game it used to be. When would the original Horizons have been released had it remained on track?

There is no question that the game Artifact is making now is not the original HORIZONS, a game that would have been released early this year if the company had not fallen to a hostile takeover.


This tells me a lot!

[DX_Mage]

The long of the short of it is that this game SUCKS. If anyone is considering buying it just put your wallet back in your pocket because this game isn't worth it. If some one gives it to you for free they are not your friend, they must really secretly hate you through every fiber of their being. I would ALMOST (note the almost) rather get back together with my ex, but I would chew off my arm before playing this game.

I REALLY wanted this game to be great. I hoped that they would make some basic changes. But in the end they pushed this box of offal out the door.

[JonnyG]

Hmm, I'm not sure I fully understanding you DX, are you implying that the game is no good?

[DX_Mage]

hehehehe welll something like that. The people responsible for doing what they have done to this game should have the blóðörn done to them. That being the management of the company that did the hostile take over of AE. OK well maybe not literally but they should face a public roasting by the players. They should pay the beta players 160 bucks for every hour they played the game. They should be forced to play the game for at least 80 hours. That would be the most fitting punishment I think =)

[Bograt]

so its a "maybe" then ?

well after all this, i dont think i will be getting it lol

[JonnyG]

Interesting post (http://boards.pharaoh-productions.com/viewtopic.php?t=1330&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30) by David Allen as people blast him for blasting Horizons.

[JonnyG]

He's pretty slanderous of David Bowman in that thread. I wonder if anything will come of it.

[Mi Tes]

As a CEO for his new company, I would rather see David Allen take the high road. Saying he is no longer affiliated with Horizons and their product is one thing, but the following goes way to far in my opinion.

I despise David Bowman and his kind because he is a liar, a plagiarist, and engaged in collusion to betray the company and everyone else who believed in the original concept – but I hired him.

This kind of speech just hurts his reputation in the gaming community and makes anyone else dealing with him leary that he will make this display again if anything ever goes bad when working with them. Stuff happens, you just need to move on from it and learn to not make the same mistake again. Seems David Allen hasn't moved forward and until he does, this personal war with the new Horizons/it's current staff will continue to bring him and his new company down. Just sad to see.

[Halldor]

Y'know what, I actually gained respect for Allen for speaking his mind about Bowman. There's a just too much doubletalk and couched speech in this world. It's good to see someone in power with the stones to actually say what he's thinking. Everyone has a right to say what they think and it's FAR past time that we get over the idea that people in positions of power have to take the high road and all that. Screw politics. Speak your mind and don't be afraid to do so.

[Mi Tes]

I wouldn't be suprised to see him sued for the next step by Horizons. Given his position, I think he crossed the line. Stones are one thing, stupidity another. Opening up yourself to getting sued for comments = stupid and extreemly costly for your new company.

[Halldor]

That would be true if he made those statements in a newspaper article or some such. But since they're on the Pharaoh Productions forums, I'm not sure he can be sued for that. I'm no legal expert, but I get the feeling that the Pharaoh Productions boards are considered private and are governed by their own rules. If message board comments were litigiable (is that a word?), there's a long, long list of folks who would have been sued thousands of times over.

Guess I'm just an old-fashioned street guy. I respect folks for speaking their mind instead of hiding behind smoke and mirrors and typical lawyer-speak. It's really sad that this world and its direction is controlled by lawyers. I still agree with Shakespeare - KILL ALL THE LAWYERS! (No personal offense to any attorneys reading this...)

[Mi Tes]

None taken. ;)

Libel/slander is not my forte, but have seen some rulings where people are being held accountable for internet speech. http://www.gdf.com/defamation.htm (Here) is some information and here (http://www.efl-law.com/int_lib.html) is where I found the following basic information.

The Law
Defamation Generally
The reason for having defamation laws as a civil remedy in tort is because 'A person has the right to his good name'. Defenses are nevertheless available for balancing the interest of freedom of speech, such as the defense of fair comment and justification.

What is defamatory?
A statement is defamatory if it tends to lower the plaintiff in the estimation of right thinking members of society generally. Alternatively speaking, the matter tends to make the plaintiff shunned or avoided by right-thinking members of society. The meaning of the defamatory nature of the statement can be literal or by inference

Libel and Slander distinguished
A distinction has to be drawn between libel and slander. Libel: are publications in permanent form while slander are publications by spoken word or other transient means. Unlike slander, damage is presumed in libel actionable without proof of special damage.

Meaning of 'Permanent form"
Permanent form can be something in writing or in other permanent form. Examples are electronic communications via e-mail, newsgroups, message board, homepages are matters of permanent form. Broadcast by radio, TV, Internet, public performance, film soundtrack, CD, tape-recording also meet the requirement of 'permanent form'.
Requirement of Publication
The statement must be published by communicating to at least one person other than the person defamed.

Examples on the Internet are:
Usenet posting / e-mail to a third party, such as by cc. copy / message board / chat room /world wide web /

Defenses
Fair comment / justification / absolute privilege / qualified privilege / apology and payment into court / unintentional defamation / innocent dissemination /


I just wouldn't be suprised if David Allen gets sued for violating his former contract (if there is one) or libel/slander, given his former position in the company, his position in the gaming community now, his very public speech about Horizons and David Bowman, and the fact that some people might not have bought Horizons based on his speech (with Horizons being impacted financially by this speech). Even if by chance David Allen wins, he will have spent thousands on an attorney to defend his comments and quite a bit of time and mental energy on it as well. Added up, it just isn't worth it.

[JonnyG]

KILL ALL THE LAWYERS!
I used to believe that too. Then I fell in love with one, married her. Now we even have lawyer friends. Go figure.